"RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht" (ramblininexile) 04/07/2016 at 16:30 • Filed to: None

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There are no cars in this picture, but there are a couple of Oldsmobiles... 37mm cannons and parts, with other war materiel thrown in. I see prop hubs, what may be a P39 driveshaft, and... an I6 crank of some kind?

ttyymmnn > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 04/07/2016 at 16:42

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I did a Google for “Oldsmobile slogans” and found this one from 1940-1941:

Fire-Power is our business - keep ‘em firing.

I’d love to see the artwork from that ad. This would make a very interesting research project.

http://encyclopedia.classicoldsmobile.com/adslogans.html

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn 04/07/2016 at 16:48

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It’s weird the stuff that survives and the stuff that doesn’t, though I suspect a lot of the “doesn’t” is more of an archival thing - knowing where it is - rather than whether it exists at all. Take for example the never-adopted Keep Calm And Carry On campaign. A whole morale campaign with all the work done, shelved and forgotten.

ttyymmnn > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 04/07/2016 at 16:52

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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn 04/07/2016 at 17:02

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The B25 G in that second ad carried a 75mm M3/M4 cannon . (Definitely a G model based on the dorsal turret.) Later superseded by a lightweight M5/T13E1 version in the B25 H. Funny enough, that article says not one word about Oldsmobile either...

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn 04/07/2016 at 17:06

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I should also remark that it’s bone-stupid that first ad isn’t in the Wiki article ON THE ACTUAL M4 AUTOCANNON.

Goggles Pizzano > ttyymmnn 04/07/2016 at 17:07

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Their last one:

“Start Something”

After seeing the rich history of their slogans (and so many great ones) all in one place, this one is sad, just sad.

ttyymmnn > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 04/07/2016 at 17:17

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It may boil down to a matter of nomenclature. I noticed on the Wiki article for the P-39 that it called the cannon the T9, though it linked to the M4. Given that Browning originally made the cannon with a cartridge feed, perhaps similar to the BAR or other cartridge-fed AA cannons, I suppose it’s possible that the T9 was the airborne version with the drum magazine, while the M4 was the original cartridge-fed gun. Even if that is the case, the Wiki should indicate indicate “developed into” or something of that sort. I’ll take a look through some of my older print sources that I have on hand and see if there is any information there.

Birddog > ttyymmnn 04/07/2016 at 17:24

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Like this one?

https://books.google.com/books?id=R1AEA…

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > ttyymmnn 04/07/2016 at 17:27

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Actually, I saw that as typical wikipedia perversity. The article on the M4 mentions that the prototype for the M4 was the T9. In short, the “Oldsmobile T9" nomenclature in the P39 article is probably not quite correct - which leaves the P39 article suffering from a sourcing/accuracy problem - but the people putting together the M4 article who clearly know enough to know better have information missing and incomplete where it’s most important and their sources were sufficient. So, on the same issue you have the problem of a third-hand source and somebody missing the forest for the trees because they suffered a psychotic break and think forests aren’t relevant.

The funny thing is, the guy who doesn’t quite know what he’s talking about (the guy who put down “Oldsmobile T9") would be the one that the veterans would understand.

ttyymmnn > Birddog 04/07/2016 at 17:49

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I’m sure there are many others. That’s a good one.

Dash-doorhandle-6 cyl none the richer > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 04/11/2016 at 19:20

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there is a closed gm assembly plant in my town, some of those cannon barrels were used as lightposts in our central park.